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1973 Fender Allegro 5 string Banjo w/ resonator lightly used cond. W/ hard case. Sep 15, 2017 Serial numbers have appeared in various locations on Fender bass guitars, but they are usually on the back of the neck or on the metal neck plate on the back of the instrument. Here are letters in the serial numbers that correspond with each decade. For the 1960s and '70s, numbers. Listing is for a late 70's to early 80's Fender Leo Deluxe 5-string banjo, made in Japan. It's hard to date these banjos, but this one does appear to have a fairly early serial number on the label inside the pot, and no serial on the back of the headstock as the later models had.
Fender Serial Dating. First, narrow it down by the country of origin. Serial dating is easiest for instruments made in the USA or Mexico, but is also possible for those made in Japan, Korea, China, and Indonesia. For US instruments, the serial number will start with a letter. That letter indicates the decade. S for 1970s; E for 1980s; N for. Look for the serial number on the back of the peghead. A serial number is an important piece of information in establishing the authenticity of your banjo. Remove the back of your banjo-the resonator-to see the serial number if it isn't on the back of the peghead. Loosen the screws attaching the back to the banjo.
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CO: About that same time, Baldwin was expanding, looking into possibly purchasing the Salstrom Banjo Company of Oregon, Illinois. On the day the Baldwin execs were touring Salstrom, there happened to be a banjo collector there name Clyde Richelieu.Clyde was very knowledgeable about banjos, and a strong ODE fan. He mentioned to the Baldwin people that he felt ODE was a superior instrument, and Baldwin ended buying ODE while Salstrom was later purchased by Fender. A few years later, Richelieu purchased Strom Banjos of Brainard, Minnesota, and started building Richelieu banjos in Oregon, Wisconsin, where the company still operates under Rick Tipple.
- Look at the first number of your serial number if one exists. Through 1987, Aria guitars serial numbers represented the year of manufacturer as either the first one or first two digits of the serial number. For example, a guitar made in 1978 might have the first two digits of 78 or the first digit of 8.
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At that point I was ready for a change. I decided to get rid of everything I had except a banjo and an old car and a guitar, and hit the road (laughs).
CO: After selling ODE, I ended up traveling for a while, wandering around the country, drifting. I’d found a home for the ODE company, which was Baldwin. They were good folks to deal with, had a lot of connections in Nashville. they tried their best to get me to work for them, which I did for six months, to help with the transition so they knew how to do what we’d been doing. But I had been tied down for too long, and I felt a need to change.
Baldwin kept the company in Boulder for two years. Then they moved it to DeQueen, Arkansas, in 1968. I tried to find out how many banjos Baldwin produced, but no luck. They made the Ode between about 1966 and 1968 in Boulder, and then in Arkansas from 1968 till they quit, which was somewhere possibly in the early 1980’s.
At that time I was in engineering school at the university. We’d take a coffee break between classes. I remember walking from the engineering area into the cafeteria next door. You had to go through this place called the Timberline Lounge where the mountaineering people hung out. There was a lady playing guitar and singing, and some guy playing the banjo. It just totally blew me away. Actually, the “lady” turned out to be Judy Collins. I don’t know who the banjo player was but that incident inspired me to start playing the guitar again.
BNL: Didn’t they eventually sell the ODE to the Gretsch Company?
CO: Baldwin owned Gretsch then! Baldwin had been making only pianos and organs. Then they got into this corporate mode of expansion. They bought Burns Guitar of the UK, Sho-Bud Pedal Steel, an electronic harpsichord company, Gretsch and others. Their idea was to create a full-line music business the quick way, by purchasing all these companies and then introducing them into their piano and organ chain divisions. They were apparently quite successful. Baldwin was also heavily into electronics. They got into military contracts, making guidance systems for Sidewinder missiles. Finally, they got into banking, because in the piano and organ business, you sold things on time payment plans. It became financing. First, financing pianos and organs, all the way into buying banks.
CO: Yes. They ended up, I believe, buying several banks, including the Empire Savings and Loan in Denver. They expanded big, buisness-wise with the banking thing. But apparently, they over-expanded and had to declare bankruptcy. This, however, wasn’t because of the instrument business and it probably had nothing to do with the banjo busniess. The banjo part was probably the one-tenth of one percent of their whoe business. They had several thousand people working for them. The banjo company might have had five or maybe ten workers. When they went Chapter Eleven, they started liquidating things and ended up selling the ODE Banjo division, which was part of Baldwin-Gretsch.
An interesting point: when Baldwin bought the company from me in 1966, they designed a banner that said “Baldwin”. They didn’t use the word, “ODE” on the peghead originally. However, they found that the market did not want a Baldwin: it wanted an ODE. So, they added the word “ODE” to the banner. Then I herad they eventually dropped Baldwin and just put ODE on the peghead. In fact, I just saw one downstairs (at the vendors’ stands), an ODE, with no word “Baldwin” on it, but it was made by Baldwin about 1980. So, the sequence of logos was “Baldwin”, then “Baldwin ODE”, then just “ODE”. I should have checked the serial number of that one I just saw.
CO: No. When Baldwin liquidated in the early 1980’s, there was an intermediate party that bought up Gretsch, or had the job or liquidating it. As I understand it, things just got destroyed and even the intermediate party went bankrupt. I heard Fred Gretsch Junior ended up buying back the Gretsch name and whatever came with it.
BNL: One of the music shops I frequent has a new Gretsch catalogue, full of fancy guitars, but no banjos.
CO: I don’t know if Gretsch builds any instruments now, or only imports them. Apparently, Gretsch bought out Bacon and Day in the Forties. So ODE is now part of Gretsch and Bacon and Day (laughs). The name ODE continues, but only the name, evrything else is gone.
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BNL: So, when did you come up with the idea of OME?
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high-quality American made (Fullerton CA) banjos featuring a figured
American black walnut neck and resonator, rosewood fingerboard and headstock
overlay, nickel -might be chrome- plating, and somewhat clunky inlay
patters. Serial # B-1523. (It also has one of the old 'Reno' fiberglass
heads with a 'soundhole' in it!)
Anybody know if and where there might be a list of Fender banjo serial
numbers that can be used to date this critter? Fender says they don't have
the information, and although from various clues I'm pretty sure this is a
'70s instrument, I'd like to able to date it a little more accurately!
Thanx,
Pete